I feel a little bit sorry for three wonderful people. They were walking the food court; Jesus the Savior was their reason. It was subtle, and they were very sweet and polite and perfect. I love it when people want to save me... and I'm not being sarcastic. What a wonderful, God-like and awe inspiring quest! Think about it. Working to save souls! Amazing!
But, to their misfortune, I'm hell bound. That's a zealous statement. OK, according to their religious interpretation, I am not in line for heaven... perhaps that is more accurate. These are my words, not theirs. They were perfectly kind, perfectly positive, perfectly poised to convince me of the sins of mankind and the saving grace of Jesus Christ.Hey, I love Jesus. I think he rocks, is an incredible prophet and a true Savior to many. How is that deniable? But the same stories and verses that were carefully quoted to me can be used to defend my own spiritual beliefs. The fact that Jesus was straight on the whole God thing doesn't mean people are interpreting his message accurately. I would say that most people who "know" the bible upside down and backward have no idea what it says. ...Them is fightin' words... : )
"So", the three asked, "is it ok if we pull up chairs?" They needed them. I think we talked for an hour or so. And I really, really do feel sorry for them, really, really do wonder how their conversation continued with one another as they left me.
Our words went like this. "Can we ask you a few questions about your faith for a survey?"
"What are you going to do with the information?"
"We only want to understand." (Oh ya, this is where it was absolutely exciting for me, hard to curtail ego and remain with the One.)
"Do you have a belief system? Do you pray? What is your perception of sin?"
"Ooooo, baby... I thought you'd never ask!" Really. But maybe the hardest part was that Carolyn (adult Carolyn) sat silently across the table from me. Her religious position, her church, has the same goal and beliefs of those who were working to convince me. For wherever she missed it in the past, this conversation threw me out of the closet!
I'm hard to argue with. I see the lack of logic in things that are said. I call people back to being consistent. I have no issue with knowing my position and expressing it. I have three bibles that I reference (not with overzealousness by any means, but I rarely read just one). BUT, I also have a very cursory knowledge of several other religious traditions and texts (luckily for the missionaries, I left Paganism out... You never know how close to heart attack some older folk may be.)
They tried. Oh how they tried. So who got what out of this? Did I grow? Did they? One of the two men was young (maybe 20). I don't think he spoke a word. He smiled, and nodded, and seemed all supporting of the conversation. What did he take away with him? Will my words curse his dreams, nag at his heart, drag him kicking and screaming into broader perspective? Hmmmmm.....
The bottom line of the entire debate, the bottom line of any debate, is that of "definition". We must agree upon definitions to speak the same language. My God, my sin, my heaven, my Savior, my religious text, my hell, my prayer, ... they all differ from the Christian Evangelical standard. I don't find THEM wrong! Not at all. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing. And, I think Jesus and I ARE talking about the same thing. I hope we are anyway.
For those who do not know me, for those who are curious about my words, there is no simple synopsis. I believe that there is a core to all world religions, a space where there is no difference. That could be defined as love. It could be defined as God. That is what I believe to be the Truth. I can mention the miracles of the gurus. I can site the Yogasutras, or the Bhagvad-gita, or the Koran or so many other core teachings (but not well, so don't even ask... I claim NO expertise). Sometimes I even quote the Bible. I can reinterpret the passages of any to match the other. I do not think Christianity is the only way to God. I do think that it's a way to the experience for some.
Sin? "Above all else, love one another." How much further must I go? I think sin is the movement away from what we are called to be and do on the planet. I think there are people who are wholly and totally living the commandments but are deep in sin. I think there are people who have broken most of the commandments who are virtually sinless. Have fun with that! You'll actually have to write a comment if you want an explanation.
Judgment? I love this question... "Do you think you are going to heaven?" Whose heaven? I do not think I am going to their heaven... but I told them I'd say hi when I saw them there. The confusion of God as three persons came into the mix. Using the big God as the "judger" is common. Sigh. God as three persons, God as a whole. Jesus the liason. It's a snafu that no one should bring up when they are talking to me, because I am articulate in the debate!
Prayer? To some extent, I wonder why people bring it up. I also think about their own leap to judging others in this. I never want to "count" the minutes I spend in books, or in meditation, or in just thinking about Eternal projects... it seems ludicrous. But when people ask, "Do you pray?"... and with some knowing glance or thought about the fires of hell that will be consuming my lower body, I can't help but think that I do. More than they'll ever know. But it isn't because I think it does a thing for "me" the ego. Maybe it's more of an escape from that. So there's a huge difference in definition.
Oh my gosh, I was thinking, what else is interesting? How about the definition of God himself, God itself, God ourselves? Should I even start? Is it a definition that I can put into words? Suffice it to say, we don't agree. And we do agree. And it doesn't matter. They certainly have an all powerful, supposedly all loving (yet note the judgment day thing), supreme being. I have one of those. But then, that's all I have. It's like it's the definition of All, the definition of everything, the core of all cores, the being of all religion, the unfolding of all substance, the heart of all sentience. I think my God is bigger. I need a ruler to please the male folk! In all kindness, their God, ya, their God is a small part of my God! So, it's all the same and it's all different.
That may be more than enough philosophy for this Veteran's Day morning. The world is facing a ton of challenge. Christine is healing and working for an emergence. Eric's mom is hospitalized, in critical condition. Sheila is grieving her husband. Connie's husband is recovering from pneumonia. Michelle's grandchild faces her fourth day of independent life. And so it goes.
I'm calling the conversationalists church today. I want to be certain to send thanks for their time, for their patience, and for their goal. I want to express my gratitude for the method, which was quiet, non argumentative, persuasive. We all have a role. They are unfolding perfectly! WE are unfolding perfectly.