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November 2009 
When God Is On Vacation...
michele
I was looking for the blog topic, and all I found were eye veins, gross! I don't think that's adequate! Sometimes, I feel like God is on vacation. Reach into the bag of meditation and pull out, what, nothing?
So let's just take this thought through the gamut: Can you imagine God in Speedos? Maybe a quick jog down the beach, a dip in the surf, a sunset cruise on the party boat? Ya, right.
In some ways, the reality is that God is always on vacation... since there is ne'er a moment when some creation somewhere isn't doin' that. And since God is All, when we take time to relax and unwind, we actually may be bringing God closer to the forefront of perceived existence. The trick is to dig deep and turn inside out (not that anyone should take my advice, since I have no clue what I'm talking about). When you are pondering the umbrella drink and it merges into your hand as does the lounge chair and sunglasses, just reach a tiny bit deeper and let God rush through into Allness, and the "you" drop away into nothingness. Now, THAT'S A VACATION!!! Highly recommended. You'll never return quite the same : )
I'm having some struggle with my own upper picture... God as separation. It's far from where my mind can go these days. I have no entity, no thing outside unless you count a hummm and wild, emerging heat or the visual spread of either great light or comforting darkness. Do people call that God? I don't exactly. Those are the telltale signs of God perhaps.
God can't just jump ship and take a break. Ridiculous. Every body, every cell, every nucleus is God... so a vacation would look like what? A black hole the size of all universes? But isn't a black hole itself also made up of God?
Ok, this is totally out of hand! We are starting a new week, a new lifetime, a new era, right here, right now. Go with God! : )
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I typed out a comment and then re read it and decided it was too inflamatory to post on here. I sent it to your email instead. I know some children read this and decided I didn’t want to take the chance of putting a thought into anyone’s head.Especially since my thoughts are not fully formed, just questions. :)
I’m not understanding the struggle you talk about with the upper picture. I’m reading my stuff into it and seeing my question about how to find god outside myself, which (with my sometimes thinking) leads to the “is this all in my mind”? Am I slightly off center? “Not dealing with a whole bunch?” Stuff like that. I can’t believe that’s what you are saying, so I’m asking - what are you saying? Thanks!
No idea, and my brain is on sick leave, remember? And apparently, God is on vacation (as to giving me what to write). I think that’s what I was saying. What was your question exactly? Are you a facet of God… is any of this real at all… is every experience made up by God for God… could you be insane yet be God manifest… is Michele a figment of your imagination… could God be the only thing you are and there be no you at all???? Yes, I think so. But then, in saying that, remember that I said I am a figment of your imagination, so do you really want to trust the answer? : )
We are always on the point of understanding. But this universe and our place in it has structure. There is no profit in struggling to know. Knowledge will come when it comes. Understanding what is, has value.
Eric will love this answer! There is no reason to try to know… what he says all the time… Understanding what is is the difference there. That still requires “looking”, “listening”, “noticing”,and “evolving”, from my angle anyway.
I agree with “not try to know” if that means forcing decisions without knowing what is true for one.There may come a point when one dives into discovery, but that point is likely when one is ready to dive in.
What this is all about is understanding. There really isn’t any formula. Everyone is different moment to moment. My experience is so long as one is intending to understand, pushing it does not help. But that’s me and it may be different for others.
Hmm, using my own historical view, I think that “pushing it” comes when pushing it is needed… knowing when to stop is announced boldly (if one is listening). And insight has it’s own separate schedule : )
We’re talking about the same thing. When it is right it’s right when it’s not it’s not. If one forces decision pure understanding is not likely to happen. That simply means one has a wrong or incomplete answer. Full understanding becomes part of oneself. It is hard to rush. Incomplete understanding is likely to be the bold announcement.
In this world bold announcements seem easy to ignore.
ok…wasn’t all HERE & into IT at first, but the dialogue Between you two has enriched me here this early morn. It sounds somthing like, “resistance is futile”, doesn’t it? OK….perhaps it WAS just a pun. But, truly…experiencing life is so much more…hmmmm…”________” (help me out with the PROPER word here, michele, Kevin, anyONE) when we flow with the current we are engulfed (which could BE not so good a descriptive word there) in.
Sometimes it is not possible to flow with the current. The under-TOE gets me and unless someone (M) grabs me, I feel like I could get pulled away. ARGH! Sometimes confusion is SO difficult.
We all need each other Judy, trust me!!! : ) Glad to have ya there to do the same. Keep your toes up (in the tub).
it is ALWAYS possible to flow with the current, Judy, even in an undertow, that is StILL a current, and as is the top current, the undertow is STILL YOU. Confusion is only when you are trying to grasp that which you need not’. It’ll come around when IT needs BE. And those currents & undertows, Judy…they aren’t others for you to try & swim in. We EACH have our OWN currents flowing within.
There is a difference Between those who consider themselves to BE apart from GOD, & those that consider themselves to BE OF GOD. And that seems to BE a matter of perception, which is a personal thing. What is one way to one, is yet another to another. We each have our specific place/part (of The Body), & there is none more important than another. To say “GOD” is of a certain way..how is one to actually PROVE that? It is All in one’s own, individual BElief that adheres to the way they live their life. God IS what GOD is, despite what we all BElieve GOD to BE. To each their OWN.
Since I’ve been a chaotic religious researcher, who knows where this came from… but somewhere, some book, this scenario came to light:
Do we KNOW God’s wishes and intentions? (Some will say the Bible… but have you who say that ever seen the Bible used for acts contrary to your perception of it’s message… ie WAR? How do you know you’re way is the “right” way?)
What if God’s intentions are actually the absolute opposite of everything you’ve ever believed? (Much like how drugs were legal a handful of decades ago, alcohol has been illegal… but now the oppositeare true.)
What if the murderer is following a directive from God and we are the ones resisting? (Lots of that in the Old Testament.)
I wish someone a little higher on the consciousness field would come in on the impersonal/personal God thing! Siona, where are you?
If God knows the actions of us all from start to finish, if God is the Source of our animation,God is as much a part of murder as of birth. We each have a role to play… and we play it valiantily, regardless of whether we stop to look at the Whole from beyond the game. : )
42:)
The numbe r42
If this answer isnt sufficient still, try Nicole`s:
God Pod or Life, the Universe and Everything
God choosing not to know? I just can’t go there… this isn’t a human, this is All. All knows. There just isn’t a cognitive separation. There is actually no cognition. It IS… I’m so drowned in the VASTNESS that this idea of not knowing is incomprehensible.
Hey, for the record, I don’t have the tongue untiedness to explain the personal/impersonal thing from my perspective (so I would like someone to rescue me on that that has experience full enlightenment with the whole “experience of Oneness with the Creator”). Daniel, God has got me so dang wrapped and tied I can’t even tell you the depth… but I understand that some people who have very powerful “god connections”also sometimes vary in their belief systems… It’s because the Eternal is Infinitely creative so each of us is crazy-unique!!! I have had some pretty extreme experiences (with Kundali energy, with otherunnerving evolutions and revelations). I don’t feel like there is a problem with my “relationship” with the Eternal… but it interests me how others reach their Source, love this Great Mystery, and surround the masses with that same blessing, so I LOVE a great conversation : )
I may be incapable of comprehending, that’s very true… and if you want to keep trying, I’ll keep reading. I think this might be a circumstance like explaining the flavor of something another has never tasted. I’m trying.
I don’t need to justify what I believe, do I? What I believe actually is in constant motion… heck, I was Roman Catholic two years ago… if you even scratched the surface of what God has spun me into, I think it would surprise ya : ) But God has done the work… I’ve been torchered a lot in trade for it (those of you who have been here know what I’m talking about)… but the trade is worth it.
If you want to hone in on one point, I can work with the beliefs and questions idea… or I’ll try. Honest, I’m not playing games with you. Trust me, not really much of a game player when it comes to Eternal issues.
Hey Rich… Thank you! A million thank yous for being you… and you know what this is about.
Albert,I love the reference to the Douglas Adams book… and you stumped many with that one!!! I’m laughing because YOU could have done the impersonal/personal God thing, but left me to fry! : ) Sarcastically and truthfully, thanks for joining us with your energy.
As much as Albert IS ”spot on” to direct you ALL to Nicole’s pod, I have IT on
GOOD AUTHORITY that the answer IS NOT 42 but 49.
In the context of “separation” and “illusion” and the FACT that I run my life by allowing GOD to BE GOD within me, on a moment by moment basis, I can ONLY refererence my zBlog and repeat the comment posted elsewhere that …
To believe your own thought, to believe that what is true for you in your private heart is true for ALL members of our species - that IS genius.
KNOW your PLACE … indeed
SHEEZZZZ…..this one, reading all the way down to this point of “NOW”…it is nearly brigning tears of joy to myeyes (I think spiritually speaking even more so than the physical eyes themselves). WE as a whole in each & everyone of these comments as well as the original blog ITself is giving GLORY to GOD, no matter what angle, what perceptive way. WE ARE ALL focussed uponTHAT which needs BE. There ARE those that up until last night, early this morn, I would have continued with desiring to argue a case in point on here. But…Glory to GOD, IT was explained to myself within myself, and for THAT I AM eternally grateful, humbled to just from here on out BE telling each & EVERY one of YOU (yes, YOU, too. And YOU KNOW whom I AM speaking TO with this) how special YOU are to ME, how much I LOVE each & every one of YOU, and that I hope & pray that I AM here to bless everyone of YOU, in whatever capacity I AM to BE/BEcome.
I LOVE YOU, my brothers & sisters!!! YOU complete ME!!!
So is someone gonna tell me why the answer is 49 instead of 42? or am I gonna have to add that book to my ever growing pile of books to read? Michael, were you just joking? If it was from someone I know, I would be able to tell if they are being sarcastic or not. Also, what is the consensus? Is God personal or impersonal? What is the difference and does it really matter?
GOD IS WHAT GOS IS, DeeDee. How do YOU perceive GOD to BE? How is IT that GOD revels ALL to YOU? IT ALL matters, DEEDee, meaning THAT which is Revealed to YOU is THAT which needs BE in YOU. GOD is ALL The Above, my friend.
DeeDee, when he said 49, I just thought he was twenty off! But where was my mind? And yep, God is personally impersonal!
Pay All attention to Rich… he’s on a new horizon : ) Thanks everybody for all of your moments, in everything you do!
I agree that the Bible, and other sacred texts for that matter, are full of competing human agendas, so where do we go to really find out about God? Within…?
What if we were to ask: why is it important that we know God? or rather, so what if God is on vacation? What is it that we need from God and why?
There is power and wisdom in relationship.
Perfectly said! God is personal (no two of us process the Eternal the same way). God is impersonal (because we are actually facets of the exact BEing that is the Infinite itself). There is power and wisdom in relationship!!!
That’s definitely exactly as the Tetra Lemma would lead, personal and impersonal. I missed where anyone claimed otherwise (although I could play devils advocate and say that the personal part gets consumed by the impersonal part, so although both are true, the Impersonal All holds the Personal God within).
What is Universality, and how does it limit God?
YOU & “GOD” are ONE in The Same, as is ALL. For those that refuse to BElieve such, please, by ALL means, continue to BElieve that which is within your own perception. GOD Shall Reveal that which is truly needed in each their own life, their own experiences to come, when they are needed, as they are needed. For man to perceive that he knows GOD’S Ways, HE is the fool. As stated once already today: man’s ways are not GOD’S Ways.
Aren’t we talking about Pan-entheism?
http://joyacb.gaia.com/blog/2009/1/all_this_talk_about_whether_god_is_personal_and_impersonal
We’re talking each their perspective of GOD, joyacd. whatever YOU care to entitle IT,WE welcome YOUR viewpoint (as applied to the blog’s intentions).
By placing a “‘name” or a “title” or ANY word in fact upon what one perceives yet another as to their way of preceptions serves no purpose other than dividing that which needs BEcome ONE. IT is MY intentions to create an environment that draws ALL together as ONE (as is with many others on this sight). We each need ask ourselves, Before reacting to what ONE MAY consider (or perceive) as a personal attack on themselves by another, perhaps we should look within our OWN selves to ask why whatever has incited us to react So passionately in a defensive mode, we should examine our OWN intentions, our own perceptions, values, BEliefs, acceptances. We ARE ALL ONE, but we ALSO are EACH a seperate but equally valuable part of The Body of Christ (GOD). Whether we profess to BElieving one way or another, we are STILL one part of many (and that applies to the physical as well as the spiritual, my friend. Accept it, get over it, & move on). Ours is NOT to change the world thru our own means, but to change the world thru the Means of THAT Which is GREATER than our OWN selves, and yet THAT which lives within us, that part which we ARE GOD in each our own distinctive way. There shall BE those among us/YOU that will not agree with any of this, perhaps none of what has been shared in this blog. THAT is YOUR free choice, YOUR free will. But no this, IT ALL Works for a Purpose greater than that of your mind, your knowledge, your wisdom, your awareness even. For YOU to actually BElieve that however you came to the acknowledgement of whatever IT is that you perceive, that you are at this point thus far aware of, is vanity in it’s own way. Please, at least bring to this Table here your insights full of acceptance, love, forgiveness, appreciation for that which you don’t understnad or comprehend or are at odds with. We are ALL changing, from moment to moment, & we ALL need ONE another in this experience called life. To argue a point is futile. In MY eyes, an argument is when multiple sides refuce to agree to disagree, instead continueing with their attempts to change the viewpoint or acceptance of another. ANd when YOU come right down to IT, what TRULY is happening in such an expenditure of energies, is that YOU are warring with your OWN inner self anyway. And, GOD Does take ALL that there is, & GOD makes an Order to it, a Purpose, which completes ALL.
The point of Gaia… of the whole of existence…
SO BE IT.
LIFE IS but a journey down the color tunnel … the “portal” to that tunnel, however, has 49 “gateways”, each and every one of the first 48 BEing geared to the multiplicity and diversity of our species, as the custodian of LIFE; only a subset of which were covered by Douglas Adam’s answer of 42; and the 49th BEing “the key” to the simulation of the near DEATH experience.
tho I know not that which has just been introduced into my awareness (via Michael), I KNOW of IT’S signifigance, IT’S Value, IT’S Truth). And now I BEgin to digest THIS, to embracr IT, to BEcome IT. Thank YOU, Michael, for THIS! I AM blessed of YOU (as I AM ALL of YOU, continually, and eternally).
Going down all the paths linked through Michael’s short comment is amazing. I’m listening to videos, seeing pictures, reading blogs, reading comments! Amazing.
Michael is wildly gifted like that!!! I am so thankful : ) (And it definitely makes me long for real internet service… but alas, the trees win my heart.)
THE TREES R symbolic of the heart, as they should be for ALL our hearts and forever remind us of …
the FACT that ”falling leaves return to their roots”
and THE MAN WHO PLANTED TREES